mobile phone providers are rubbish (especially orange)

I recently changed from O2 to Vodafone.  I’ve had crappy reception in my house with O2 for a while, suffering one-way conversations where the person on the other end couldn’t hear me properly even though I can hear them perfectly, so, I decided to try some other providers.

I have been out of my O2 iPhone contract for a short while (having already changed to a cheaper tariff – note to other iPhone users:  if your contract expires, call your provider, they will always be able to give you a better deal) so I decided to give Vodafone a try first.  Honourably the O2 retentions chap tried asked why I wanted to switch networks so I explained about my reception problems.  He understood that there was nothing he could do about it and so very soon my PAC (Porting Authority Code) was winging its way to me via SMS.

The sign-up process was easy with Vodafone, though the answer to my question “which wireless providers can I use” didn’t get a resoundingly clear answer.  In any case I signed up and all seemed ok.  Ok that is, until I tried using mobile data.  Call reception is largely improved and I can now get signal in some places I previously couldn’t, but sometimes the experience of using the mobile data network, even where I supposedly have full 3G coverage, is utter shite.

Having suffered this for a few weeks I thought I’d jump ship to Orange to give their network a try-out (as I’m out of a long term contract I can opt for 30 day SIM only contracts).  So, this morning I called Orange to check out their offerings.  ”All our tariffs are on our website” the recorded message sounded.  ”They aren’t” I thought, “as I’ve looked and there aren’t any specific SIM only iPhone tariffs listed that include data plans.”  This is also a website, so my experience shows me, that you can’t even browse tariffs on from your iPhone: they have  bastardised version of the site for the iPhone which misses the sections out where you can browse Orange products.  Smart marketing.

Having waited 4 minutes on hold to the sales team (have you ever waited that long for a sales call to be answered?  They are always the quickest calls to be answered…) my call was answered and a lady told me the most sensible tariff for the iPhone.  600 minutes, unlimited texts, free internet and wifi, £25 per month.  Great.

“Who is the wifi partner for Orange?”
“I’m sorry?”
“Which wifi operators can I connect to, you know, BT Openzone, The Cloud etc?”
“The wifi is free, I’m not really sure what you mean….”
“Well, if I go to Starbucks and there is a BT Openzone network available, can I use it for free?”
“Well there might be a charge for that.”
“Ok, so what do you mean by free wifi?”
“Well, you can connect to wifi for free.”
“But I might have to pay….?”
“Hold a moment.”
[A few minutes on hold....]
Ok, so we give you a passcode, which you enter when you connect to a wifi network.  If that code isn’t recognised, then you have to pay.”
“I’m sorry, but that sounds a bit wrong.”
“Ok, let me transfer you to the iPhone team.”
[Several more minutes on hold]
“Hello sir how can I help?”
“Can you please tell me who your wifi partners are, which networks can I use when in public?”
“What is your mobile number sir?”
“No, I don’t have an Orange contract, I’ve just been put through by sales so you can answer this question.”
“Ok sir, please hold.”
[Several minutes on hold]
“I’m sorry sir but I need to transfer you to sales, I’m not allowed to answer your questions as you don’t have a contract with us.”
“No, no, no wait, I’ve just been transferred to you by sales because they don’t know the answer to this simple question, they can’t help me.  You’re telling me you can’t tell me this simple thing?”
“I need to transfer you to sales sir.”
“No, they transferred me to you, they told me they couldn’t answer the question so they were transferring me to the iPhone team.”
“They told you you were being transferred to the iPhone team?  This is customer service.  I’ll transfer you to sales.”
“No no no….  I’m not waiting in line, spending money on this call, only for someone else who doesn’t know the answer to my question to fob me off with some other rubbish.  Unless you can help me now Orange loses this sale.”
“Ok can you hold please sir?”
“No more than 10 seconds, I’ve already had enough this.”
“Ok no more than 10 seconds sir.”
[30 seconds later, I hang up.  Total time on call over 15 minutes]

The moral of the story is, don’t use Orange, they don’t know what the hell is going on, the staff don’t seem well briefed or even well trained – heck, they can’t even transfer a call to the right department, and everybody hates that.

I’m actually thinking of going back to O2, the network has been built to withstand all the iPhone users so the mobile data experience is better, and at least their customer service works.  I’m moving soon, so as long as I can get reception at home and in my new office they’ll do me just fine.

/Rant

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  • Tylerama

    I've always found the 3g reception to be patchy in 'fannit'. It's mostly bloody brilliant up here though, guess the London area is just wired up for more intensive use of data.

  • Ordeology

    I recently got the iPhone 4 on orange after many years of being with O2 a decision I totally regret as I was not happy with the O2 contract offering with the iPhone. I am now stuck in a 2 year contract with Orange where their customer service is appalling on that stupid premium rate line.

    I also get very bad signal in my house unlike O2 I actually received phone calls and was able to make them and send text messages on Orange I can just about do that if I am in a certain room.

    When I first got the iPhone 4 I was on hold for about 4 hours in total due to the amount of times I range them with problems and each time they did offer a call back not once did I get a call back!

  • Easy1355

    I wish I had headed this warning before joining Orange…

    I bought an Iphone 4 – no problem, aside from the fact Orange have a terrible reception issue. In the shop the assistant asked me if I wanted a Ipad pay as you go sim, my answer was No, I don't need it, she explained it was free, and I could use it if I ever got an Ipad, so I thought nothing of it.

    A week later, I get two contracts through the post, so I call Orange customer service (I use that word very cautiously)

    Sir, you need to return to the shop…. NO, you need to cancel that contract, as it was wasn't signed for by me, No sir there is nothing we can do unless you return your second Iphone…….

    ER!!!! WHAT!!!! what second Iphone is this?
    You bought two Iphones sir.
    NO I BLOODY DIDN'T!!!!
    yes you did sir, and you are being charged 40 pounds per month
    WHAT!!

    So, I head off to the shop, NOT HAPPY, to be fair they had the same problems as me getting through to someone who actually knew what they were doing. I was told it was sorted.

    Then I get another letter, two more welcome packs with two different numbers. So I call customer service again, oh yeah:

    Sir, you have two contracts because you have two Iphones sir.
    HANG ON!!! YOU WERE FAXED THE DETAILS AND SPOKE TO THE SHOP, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LOT DOING!!
    oh hang on sir, I can see that this was registered to an Ipad, there must have been a mistake at the shop.
    ER! YEAH! THAT'S WHY I SPENT 2 HOURS DOWN THERE SORTING YOUR FRIGGING MISTAKE OUT!
    sir, may I suggest that you go back to the shop
    NO YOU MAY NOT
    but sir this is the only way that this can be rectified
    *SILENCE FROM ME*
    sir, are you still there?
    YES AND LOSING THE WILL TO LIVE, I AM SO GLAD I CAME TO YOU FROM VODAFONE!!
    sir, can you get into the shop today
    CAN I SPEAK TO SOMEONE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM PLEASE
    sir, this is customer services and I can deal with this enquiry
    BUT YOUR NOT
    sir, who would you like to speak to in the UK
    WHAT DEPARTMENTS DO YOU HAVE IN THE UK
    sir, billing but they can't do anything, besides you have already been charged for both contracts
    WHAT!
    sir, your billing date has passed, you can cancel your direct debit if you think your bill is incorrect
    YOU JUST TOLD ME MY BILL WAS WRONG!!! CAN I SPEAK TO A MANAGER PLEASE
    sir, you need to return to the shop…

    Ok, Your bored of reading this, I am bored of writing it, in short——
    I spent 2 more times down the shop, speaking to managers on the phone!

    3 more hours of my time! until eventually they relented.. I also explained I wanted compensation for my time wasted.

    They gave two months free, and wiped out my first bill.

    Please, for your OWN SANITY, do NOT join Orange, I am now stuck with them for 18 months and it's going to be a long time.

    Their customer services is the worst I have ever encountered, incompetence right up to the manager level.

    Advice, DONT talk to india! or anywhere EXCEPT for the UK – ALWAYS take the name of the person your speaking to, what their role is, who their managers are, where they are based and their extension, and the exact time of your call…. believe me, it is worth having these details.

    Also, everywhere is covered by the cloud… and guess what…. not Orange, oh no we are with BT openzone… which basically is crap.

    Vodafone is the best….

  • Dale

    wish i had seen this before joining vodafone, stuck in a 24month contract with crap customer service n crap phone

  • Ian Wilcock

    I agree with the other comments vodafone is useless. I changed to orange which i get good reception with but am not happy with the customer service i receive, for me O2 is far superior in terms of customer service and the reception i receive in my area.

    Ian
    CCNA Salary

  • http://channeltom.com/blog tom

    Well, unfortunately since I moved to my new house Vodafone was the only network I could actually get any service at all on, so my options are a little limited now.  I actually fine the service pretty ok most of the time, and the couple of times that I’ve had cause to call customer service they have actually been not too bad.